–Son and grandson of political prisoners, were you born with a vocation for politics or do you intend to make it your modus vivendi ?
– I come from a home where politics was an example. My grandfather – one of the hostesses of the political team close to Salvador Allende – was an exile from the Augusto Pinochet dictatorship. Dad came to Venezuela in his middle adolescence and tried to return to Chile to take the armed road, which was what the MIR had decided at that time; Due to fate, he was unable to make contacts and when he saw that there was no Chilean resistance, he returned to Venezuela with his testimony of militancy and assuming his armed struggle, his insurrectionary paths, but at the time he realized that those were not the correct paths. . And Mom, secretary of the left wing in the National Congress, was the link between the clandestine and the legal in the political façade of that dynamic. So for me, home politics ends up being a given, a very natural practice. And I speak of politics understood as service; We have never been an ostentatious or wealthy family, and that phrase of Che, “the revolution is not carried in the mouth to live on it”, was never used as a mechanism of aspiration or social improvement. In high school, my first fight was over my rejection of pre-military education; I was studying at a Franciscan school and the idea of a military man approaching me to impose order on me, I did not like. So I started to organize myself, to distribute flyers … and they threw me out! (laughs) At the UCV I understood that the student movement or student demands go far beyond a protest, a march. They have to do with scholarships; with the transportation routes that make it possible for the student who lives far or has few economic resources to get to the university; With the free dining rooms – in Latin America, the Central dining room, for example, the largest number of people go per day, and that is not said or demonstrated enough. At UCV I learned how organization and service, with good political direction, can work to achieve the changes we need and have a critical mass for what corresponds to us, not as a crumb or favor, but as an acquired right.
– To carry out the political struggle, three qualities are important: passion, time and measure …
– I am deeply passionate, also for one reason: against optimism there is no vaccine. And to do politics in Venezuela, you have to have faith in the people, keep optimism high, because you know you can be better than you are today, that makes you have passion. Forgive me for being anecdotal when I tell you about Valle del Pino, Vargas or Autana in Amazonas, where I was able to talk with its people and listen to them, where problems turned into opportunities. If those people didn’t give up, why should I give up? The person who is in the day to day and who sometimes does not understand its political connotation, gets up every morning to pigeon to life, to work to bring bread home. These are the people who inspire my daily life, the engine that I turn on every day; I am an early riser more because of family discipline than anything else.
I am 26 years old and I have plenty of time – although I entered politics at 13 – and to say that I have made my career is counterproductive because it would be limiting myself to an evolution that is natural. I think my generation made the mistake, at some point, of wanting to do things “now for now”; If you look back and find yourself in 2007, when we broke in, you will realize how many we were and how many we are today; which shows the existence of two diametrically opposed visions of how to understand politics. There are those who understand that politics, as good service or good science, has a method and a discipline that tells us that sometimes you are an anvil and other times, a hammer, that is, sometimes you are high up and you are the one who speaks, in addition to putting the guidelines,
-Your father and grandfather opposed the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet, Miguel Pizarro, what and who is he opposed to?
– I do not personify for a reason: the response-reflection of some opposition leader would be “I am against Maduro and his bad government.” But if we change Maduro and not the way of understanding power relations, we will do the same. I am against injustice, inequalities, egalitarianism decreed to tricks, but I am in favor of equal opportunities so that everyone, with their tools, can build their future. I am against social differences marked by power, hatred, intolerance, immediacy, magic solutions, but, above all, demagoguery. If something makes me wake up, it is the vindication of politics, and it passes through the screen of seriousness. The politician understands that it is better to turn red once, than to turn pink ten times; that there are truths that are painful, but they must be said – if they were said at the right time, we would save headaches and scenarios that are difficult to collect over time. I am a resounding opponent of anti-politics, of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. but you have to say them – if they were said at the right time, we would save headaches and scenarios that over time are difficult to collect-. I am a resounding opponent of anti-politics, of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. but they must be said – if they were said at the right time, we would save headaches and scenarios that after time are difficult to pick up. I am a resounding opponent of anti-politics, of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. We would save headaches and scenarios that over time are difficult to collect. I am a resounding opponent of anti-politics, of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. We would save headaches and scenarios that over time are difficult to collect. I am a resounding opponent of anti-politics, of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them. of those visions that simplify life and that do not allow us to recognize ourselves by nuances, origins and ways of seeing things. I believe in service and in the individual as he understands that he is collective, that his environment is much more than himself, that the country is much more than what we see today. I am in favor of permanent changes; Rigid, dogmatic and orthodox societies are the ones that remain behind, therefore, they have to evolve and to do so they must possess the necessary tools to do so and that, clearly, this government does not give them.
– If a Chavista were to investigate and study his political DNA, what would he find?
– Since the colony, our country has always resisted the iron authoritarianism, the authority imposed on the punches. If the DNA of the Venezuelan is reviewed, it will be found that our policy – unlike the European or North American one – is not the real politik.We have never been a country of great intellectuals who have written three hundred essays and read millions of books; we are from day-to-day politics. In the political DNA of the Venezuelan is the bet that he fights a lot “for what looks like me”, that means that there are many politicians who insist that our fights take place in the field of principles – they direct democracy, freedom, equality. But people need politicians who understand, assume, speak out and fight for that day-to-day – queues, scarcity, insecurity, etc.-. That is the current dynamic, however, 20 years ago it was corruption, the march of assholes; 40 years ago it was the insurrectional struggle and the search for mechanisms that would make public and accessible the social rights that were privatized and 100 years ago it was education, access to religious texts, but in the end, if one reviews the constant in our political history, there is something that has been permanent: our country has always fought for its rightful within the dynamics of day to day. Without pretending to be Robespierre or Marx, we have always had people with a lot of popular wisdom.
“For those of us who are ñangarosos
the daily political discussion
it is a necessary exercise “
– You were in Podemos, in Avanzada Progresista and now in Primero Justicia, did you finally find what you were looking for in a political party?
– I start with the last, which is easier to answer, and I do it because in politics one is not “me”, but “us”. When you hear a politician always talk about “me” and rarely about “us”, worry because he kisses the mirror every night (laughs) and believes himself the fundamental piece of an ecosystem or the sun of a system that forces it to exist. When politicians talk more about “us” and eliminate the “I”, our politics will be vindicated and the partisan, public and organizational exercise will make more sense. It is difficult for me to say “I, I, I, I”, it is a matter of mental structure … Well, when we got to Primero Justicia we had two options, after we were robbed of Podemos and the Advanced Progressive experiment did not go as expected: 1) Start a fight to rescue acronyms or register new acronyms to create a new party and return to being a small center-left movement with its own profile, let’s say discursive, but understanding our reality in critical mass. 2) Take on or take part in an effort that already existed or was existing.
We opted, then, for the existing party, for where we were most useful, for how we could help and give the inputs that we thought we had in our capacity, a policy that we believed and believe to be correct. That is why we decided to enter Primero Justicia, a party that has a deep political discussion within it – for those of us who are ñangarosos, political discussion is part of a necessary day-to-day exercise. Politics that is not discussed, well, it is not understood either and when this happens it is difficult to internalize it to fight it. On the other hand, we got a PC with a significant level of activism and agitation; a PJ whose weekly task is to fill the streets with messages: it is not only an electoral party, but also a political party, which has a job and a political organization. A PC who on his platform and within his discussions,
But Venezuela is in the center, it has overcome the extremes, that division that everything that is in Chavismo is ultra-left and everything that is in the bourgeoisie is ultra-right. Ordinary citizens know that our struggle is not ideological, that it is not about the overcoming of capitalism through socialism or the abolition of socialism through capitalism. Here there is the struggle of a small group in power and that from this they have generated any number of dialectical tools to justify their existence and a huge mass of people who fight for their due, for what is fair and is denied from the power.
– In the party that militates, there are those who move between regression and betrayal, they can be heard in the street.
– I was 12 years old when my mother, who worked in the Senate Health Committee, took me to Congress; I remember telling senators that when I grew up I wanted to be a politician. “I’m going to be sitting in that chair,” he confided to Simplicio Hernández. Already at school, in that class exercise “what do you want to be”, the parents of the other students who heard me say “I want to be a politician”, told me: “That’s dirty” … that ”…“ Being a politician is filthy, with this country they have always been filthy ”…“ Son, where there is politics there is also rumor ”. The latter is true, where there is a political structure there are rumors. What have I achieved in PJ, which is not even close to the restorative revolution? Well, it knows that Chávez did not fall from a meteorite and suddenly began to govern, rather, it was the consequence of the exhaustion of a model; that his way of understanding the politics of those four decades and the excesses of these fifteen years in the management of power relations, in how institutions are understood and the role of the public servant have configured a way that we oppose and that we believe should be changed . That means we are not regressionists or the restorative revolution.
Regarding the rumors of betrayals, fights and threads, I have to say that if the discussions that take place within the parties were given outside, people would not murmur so much. In Venezuela, politics has been surrounded by a veil of myth, legend and history, that whatever is invented, people believe it … Now, all politics with a vocation for power have discussions, measurements, thank God they were invented the primaries! (hahahahahahahaha). On the eve of elections and that people can decide, it gives an air of tranquility to verify politics as an exercise.
-What would force him to leave the aurinegro party.
– I military in the parties to the extent that the membership corresponds to my principles, my integrity, ethics and, above all, with the example. Now if I speak to you in the first person: Miguel Pizarro’s task is to set an example, that is, if I want a better society, I have to be a reflection of society; If I want to be a tolerant society, I have to be a reflection of tolerance; If I want an ethical policy, clean and defensible before anyone, then I have to make a transparent policy. The day that the parties do not have ethics or internal democracy, are not coherent between what they say and do, nor are they congruent between their proposals for a vision of the country and their daily actions, then it would not be worth continuing to militate in any political movement.
– Is it true what is said about the MUD, that within it parties are “for rent”?
–Although it had very difficult moments, I think the turbulence has been overcome. Chúo’s movement was a revulsive that allowed a shuffling of the internal game to give a new dynamic to the Table. I deeply respect Dr. Aveledo – I owe many of the advice to him at the beginning of my arrival in parliament – however I consider that the Unity Table is an alliance of parties and that inconsistencies are unnecessary when we all seek political change . Part of the maturity of the unitary alliance is the political discussion and when it arises between good and bad, between brave and cowardly, between avant-garde and collaborator, between dichotomous forms, then it is not discussion or anything. Seeing things in black and white is the denial of the discussion. However, to have transcended the dichotomy and to have allowed that within the diversity very clear principles are clear, today we are an electoral, peaceful, constitutional alternative, with a deep social cut; our paths are framed in the Constitution, which translates into a clear umbrella that gives coherence, leadership and alternative content that seeks to build a change in society.
–But outside doors it is ensured that Chúo buried, with legs and everything, the Table.
(Hahahahahahahahahaha) –When Aveledo was in charge of the Democratic Unity Table, things were also said, and what was not said about the merging parties. It is very difficult for everyone to be happy with the way policies are run.
– Are you dissatisfied?
–The challenge of the Unit is to become an alternative and that implies two lines of work: organization –the most important, work of flesh and blood, that is, daily activism, getting out of that vision of the leader who knows everything-, and profile social – we are not going to vindicate the past to return to it, but to grasp the good and learn from the bad, so as not to repeat mistakes.
– In what situation is the Venezuelan opposition today.
– My opinion is that little by little it has been achieving profiles; on the other hand, the diversity of the opposition allows a reflection of the diversity of the country. Next year, with the parliamentarians, you will have the golden opportunity to demonstrate your organizational capacity, to recognize the other and to build a sufficiently solid majority, consubstantiated, identified with clear content to start taking concrete steps in the political change that we seek.
– Ramos Allup denounced a dirty war laboratory set up by a sector of the opposition.
– A lot has been said about the “laboratories”, also from PJ it was denounced more than once that he used social networks for things that were not. When in politics you end up using a means of communication to attack or vilify allies, or those close to you, in the end people realize the truth. If something is appreciated by politics –which is sometimes invasive-, it is that the citizen is not stupid, that it is clear about how things work and the political models to which they aspire. In the country – not only in the opposition – whoever decides to see his navel and look at the tree without seeing the rest of the forest, in the end the story, the dynamics and the people will pass over him. The country’s circumstances are much more complicated to allow two or three egos, or internal problems, to help divert us from attention,
– Don’t you think that the time has come for the leaders of the right to reinvent themselves?
– If politics is reinvented, why not politicians on one side as well as on the other. I am not a defender – not even because it would benefit me – of the generational replacement at all costs, that it is the moment of the young and we must leave the old. Our ecosystem needs everyone, the experience of the oldest with the impetus of the youngest; from the drive of those who are the present and of that intermediate generation to which the political leadership corresponds. In the harmony of that ecosystem is the key. But politicians have to get closer to the people, be useful hand in hand with politics. Today is not the time for office and air conditioning politicians. If Venezuela needs something, they are leaders with examples, presence and coherence.
– It is said that only fools do not change …
–The dogmas limit when people stay locked in their worldviews, which makes them see only a small part of the film.
– Many are afraid of the opposition and those who are not, look at it with the corner of their eye and with distrust.
(Laughter) –Eight out of every ten Venezuelans are unhappy with their current situation; that same amount know that they deserve to live better. Of them, half define themselves as opponents, the others are a challenge for an opposition that has to be alternative.
–Alternative of what if, as the ruling party says, it does not have a government program or anything.
–Of course it has had government programs; For October 7 and April 14, the work of the technical units of the Table was formidable. If many of our proposals had been applied, especially in economic matters, the country would not experience the situation it is experiencing today. But apart from that there are three very simple things: that what you earn is enough for you to eat and live in peace; that you can get out without fear of being robbed or killed; that you can sleep and have what it takes to develop. How to achieve it, I give you as an example the government plan that has been delivered as a programmatic plan, and that is part of a country’s vision: national production, prioritization of oil revenues, prioritization of public investment, strengthening through tax exemptions and tax titles, Venezuelan production capacity of the labor force and skilled labor, protection of the educational system … What makes people see us as an alternative and give them confidence, then, first, that we are mounted on a day-to-day basis, that the Politics is not confined to electoral campaigns and that the faces of politicians are seen only in an advertisement, that the service of burning the soles of rubber shoes is nothing more when you go to the neighborhood to look for the voters. Second, that we speak the truth, however difficult it may be, even if it is our opinion.“I do not do political activity
for people to kiss or greet me “
-Since a very young bustle in political activity, how difficult it has been to ignore the little devil who whispers to him “lose your principles along the way.”
–In politics, the devils have different tones of voice and appear with headphones and horns, disguised as little boys or old women. To those of us who have conviction, that devil does not even make us coquito. I don’t do politicalactivity to become a millionaire or famous, or to get people to kiss me and greet me when I’m on the street. I do not know if from what I am going to say, I am corny, ridiculous or romantic: I am in this for when my little boy studies History and can turn the page because it changed, see that one of the stories that are there, his father lived it. That would give me peace of mind and I could rest in peace. But there are politicians – those who are ambitious for power and money – who do not wait for the devil to appear to them, but who go in search of him no matter where he is. And there are those who convert their hatreds and complexes,
– If, as you affirm, those little devils are everywhere, do you think they are militants of Javu (Active Youth Venezuela United)?
– I have not spoken or shared with these types of organizations for a long time, because I do not know their daily dynamics, I do not know how they organize or who the bosses are. When I met them I didn’t like their way of understanding things; that path of resistance has never been, for me, something in which I have believed as a vehicle to achieve change. In any case, they are free to realize themselves and choose the methods of political exercise that correspond to them.
– Is Guarimbear a political exercise?
– I do not believe in violence as an exercise of politics; I don’t think shutting ourselves up to see our navel will help us either. I understand the despair of people who suffer from diabetes – my mother is pre-diabetic – when they do not get a remedy. I understand the despair of a lady when she cannot find diapers for her baby or milk or sugar. But despair can never mark our political decision, when that happens the leader ceased to be. The leader directs because he has the ability to transform despair into energy in order to produce changes. The processes that isolate and enclose us, that make us show a facet that is not that of the majority of this country, cannot be supported. It may be unpopular to say that we are against things like guarimbas, but without any fear I affirm that guarimbas do not help, but isolate.
– Hearing him express himself with the impetuosity of his 26 years, he reminded me of Robert Serra …
(Laughter) –Robert was a very good speaker; in parliament he had the ability to raise and lower his voice, impressive. As a discursist I respected him, many times we had to confront each other, he answering me or I answering him, it was an almost normal dynamic in the National Assembly. The day young people on either side lose their momentum in defending their convictions, they are no longer young even though they are still young. If there is something this youth can reply to those who are older, it is that we will not turn the adversary into an enemy; when politics stops making adversaries to make enemies, then it is not politics. Thinking differently does not mean that we have to kill ourselves, attack ourselves, disqualify ourselves. Thinking and seeing the world from different positions does not mean that we are urinating out of the bowl or living on another planet. If that is understood, we can be adversaries, never enemies. We do not want intolerance and extremes to mark our way of seeing and understanding life because it denies us.
– How is your work in the National Assembly, can you speak of satisfaction?
–When I arrived at the AN I was 21 years old, I was very excited to just think that I would be in a normal parliament, for discussion, raising issues and the subsequent debate, even if the idea came from a different sector. But the reality is harsh, I am in a parliament that has its back turned to the people, which is marked by power. You asked me if I could speak of satisfaction, well no, the key is not to let myself be crushed by frustration or annoyance. There are those who turn frustration into a dream, they sleep until 10 in the morning and they do not go to the sessions or they go to sign and then go home. I turn that frustration into a desire to change that parliament, I have made the Integral Development Commission in which I work an important day-to-day space, where I take the right to speak of the unions, where I hear labor issues and educational issues. Although I know that this is an Assembly that does not measure up to the country or the aspirations of the people, I have had interesting opportunities for debate, even in plenary sessions, to exercise the right to speak.
– When Claudio Fermín said that “candidates for the AN should not represent a ‘certain payroll’, what did he mean?
– I don’t know, you would have to ask him if he was referring to PDVSA’s payroll, to those of the missions, to those of the corporations. Although that does not worry me because it does not splash those on this side, I think that the deputies must be. And I tell you more, if the deputies of the Government were less government and more deputies, their efforts would be different. The power accumulated with so little control and with so little capacity for internal limitations, lead to perversions. That’s when the little devils we talked about before appear dancing the hula-hula (laugh).
– Can we talk about perverted politics and perverted politicians?
– In our country public service has been perverted, the vision of why people enter service and politics has been perverted. This forces our generation to enter more into politics to defend and rescue it as a principle of real service. I do not like to generalize, there is nothing more unfair than generalization, because in Venezuela just as there are those who use the public administration to benefit, many others sacrifice in the exercise of politics, like people of my generation who instead of being in Another country doing postgraduate studies, for example, preferred to stay – earning a starvation salary – and work their jobs.
– Put yourself in the shoes of President Maduro, what is his strength, his weakness and his fear.
–Your strength is power, which gives you tools to do things well, of course, if you have the political will; His weakness is the lack of control and his fear is losing power, beyond failure in management.
-Yes, I also live alone.
“Are you not looking for a girlfriend, a friend with rights, a wife?”
– The last girlfriend I had accompanied me until the day I participated in the two presidential campaigns; Because of my age and my obligation, my happiness does not depend on a partner, it is in politics, which makes it have a different dynamic. I do not see myself married or with children, for now, but dedicating effort, time and energy in the construction of substantial changes in Venezuela. I do not want to be a husband or a father at this time, I do not want my son to grow up in a country that is experiencing such difficult and critical times. It is good to wait for a change.
– Then it will be the eternal bachelor with nephews, because Diosdado Cabello has warned the opposition that “it will not happen.”
(Hahahahahahahahahaha) –Good thing that my personal life does not depend on him! (Hahahahahahahaha). In politics there are things that can never be said, Murphy is usually daring.
“What does your agenda say?”
– Mondays are for pure reunionism, Tuesdays for sessions, Wednesdays for commissions and assemblies, Thursdays for tour preparation, Fridays for trips to the interior of the country until Sunday, which also marks the return of a rag that was throw in bed to try to sleep eight hours! (laughs)
–What does your heart want?
–Peace, equality and progress.
– “The heart has more rooms than a hotel of whores,” said García Márquez.
(Laughter) –The truth is that not all keys work.
– Did you “divorce” from Avanzada Progresista because you discovered that you were the “soul mate” of the PSUV?
– Being in / with the MUD is like getting married forced?
–The Table is like a multiple relationship.
–What can he see without seeing?
–A deep social debt.– With which world political leader do you identify?
–With two: Salvador Allende and Martin Luther King.
– That the paramilitary route be taken to exercise politics, what would it mean for the country.
–The denial of politics.
–What is disproportionate and meaningless.
–The absurd use of power for individual benefits.
– It is said that in the female unconscious, the footballer is much more fervent to make love than a politician with a barbarian hillock …
“Good thing I run ten kilometers every day!” (Laugh).
– Your first “I love you” premature?
– I don’t remember, I only know that at 12-13 years one says “I love you” as if it were a sports practice. These are the years of supreme hunting …
“A woman who lives in her brain without paying rent?”
–There are several, but as the brain of one does not have a leasing law, the matter is complicated (laughs).
– Do you blame politics that your sentimental “resume” is so short?
–Nooooooo, it would be unfair.
–Why or who are today’s young people seduced?
– For passion with arguments.
–Not close, I had a homosexual uncle who died of AIDS; It was a great experience for the family, since it broke down all their prejudices. Our country lacks recognition of its realities; sometimes we want to close the pantry and we don’t see that there are a few things in storage that need to be discussed.
– Have you raised your voice to defend the rights of homosexuals?
–In addition to raising our voices, we approved the Law for the Protection of People with HIV, which is the first law that recognizes people of different sex as vulnerable groups in society.
–Skateboards, hearts, a Bentley luxury car, an ace of clubs and the names of your grandparents in Japanese, what tattoo do you need to get?
–The Angel Falls and the names of my two grandparents, Alice and Hernán.
– The boy, how he lived Christmas.
– With humility, my family did not agree with consumption. My house was not the house of the tree or the Nativity, nor was it the house of Saint Nicholas and its derivatives. Except for few details, Christmas was another stage of the year, but not so much for Mom, but for Dad. After they broke up, Mom wanted to fill that void by making these holidays important. And like every good grandmother, now she dresses the Christmas house –with garlands, a tree, decorations and gifts- for her grandchildren (hahahahahahaha).